Bipolar Bear ([info]doooook) wrote,
@ 2007-04-17 10:03:00
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The more I learn about quantum physics, the less credibility I give to atheism.

Just because we invented God, doesn't mean that he doesn't exist.


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[info]redsash
2007-04-17 05:28 pm UTC (link)
I sometimes think that the entire universe is just god waking up, and you and I are its way of trying to get a look at itself.

~r

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[info]doooook
2007-04-18 03:34 am UTC (link)
I think that a probability wave is a case where we aren't observing something, so the UI doesn't bother to "draw" it ... and there's a little bug in the code somewhere that causes interference.

This world is an illusion and it was created by a higher power.

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[info]dropsofme
2007-04-17 06:18 pm UTC (link)
Just because we invented God, doesn't mean that he doesn't exist.

That's exactly what it means though... now, in all honesty, I don't know very much about quantum physics. But I have read the bible almost in it's entirety and that has made me atheist.

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[info]doooook
2007-04-18 03:35 am UTC (link)
You don't have to be an atheist just because you think that Christianity is bunk.

I don't follow any organized faith at all. I just believe that there is a supernatural, superior power.

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[info]dropsofme
2007-04-18 02:27 pm UTC (link)
Oh it's not like that - trust me.

I have explored many different religions, from Buddhism to Scientology... I just haven't found one for me. So I don't really believe.

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[info]plizak
2007-04-20 03:59 pm UTC (link)
So are you a deist?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deist

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[info]bastard
2007-04-19 02:10 am UTC (link)
you speak hebrew and latin? :)

i'm impressed.

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[info]doooook
2007-04-19 08:51 am UTC (link)
The Volgate is a very poor translation, from what I've been told.

Go back to old Greek, at least.

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[info]dropsofme
2007-04-19 12:57 pm UTC (link)
*sigh*
Fair enough ;p

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[info]plizak
2007-04-17 06:29 pm UTC (link)
The more I learn about quantum physics, the less credibility I give to atheism.

As an athiest, I would appreciate your expansion of the topic. I like to hear other peoples thoughts.

Thanks!

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[info]bastard
2007-04-17 10:26 pm UTC (link)
atheist because you believe there isnt a god, or because you havent considered the subtle differences between it and agnosticism?

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[info]plizak
2007-04-18 04:41 am UTC (link)
Atheist because I'm a devout atheist, not a wishy washy agnostic.

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(Anonymous)
2007-04-18 04:41 am UTC (link)
Atheist because I'm a devout atheist, not a wishy washy agnostic.

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[info]doooook
2007-04-18 03:36 am UTC (link)
Read about the double slit experiment and the herculean efforts that people have undertaken to break it. Not only does a particle "know" whether or not it'll be observed, but it doesn't really exist if it isn't being watched.

If a tree falls in the forrest and nobody is there, it doesn't follow a path to the ground. It is merely generated at the point of impact, which itself is determined using a random number generator.

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[info]plizak
2007-04-18 04:42 am UTC (link)
I took Quantum Physics, we went over the double slit experiment.

I still don't see how that leads to you believing in a God.

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[info]susiev
2007-04-17 07:57 pm UTC (link)
I know nothing about quantum physics.

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[info]bastard
2007-04-17 08:30 pm UTC (link)
you gave credit to atheism?

show me an atheist and i'll show you a moron.

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[info]doooook
2007-04-18 03:38 am UTC (link)
Most ateists are just as ignorant as most theists.

I think that any kind of devotion to agnosticism must involve quests for the poles of theism and atheism.

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[info]bastard
2007-04-19 01:21 am UTC (link)
most atheists are theists, just theists without hope or purpose.

theists may at least snatch a glipse from time to time, even surrounded in pomp and dogma, atheists are essentially souls in stasis.

the rest are logicians who haven't made it all the way yet.

i find agnosticism extremely comfortable on the understanding that this is a question to which the answer is unknowable, and unnecessary. if anything its a distraction from "the truth".

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[info]zeronobus
2007-04-18 01:13 am UTC (link)
Just because we invented God, doesn't mean that he doesn't exist.

Just like it doesn't mean that he does... so like [info]plizak, I'm interested to hear what about quantum physics is making you think about the existence of God.

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[info]doooook
2007-04-18 03:39 am UTC (link)
Most claims of atheism are acts of refutation against evidence for theism.

"Jesus did simple magic tricks that anybody can do with some scotch tape and a piece of string," kind of arguments.

How do you explain the double slit as anything, but a glitch in the UI?

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[info]bastard
2007-04-19 01:30 am UTC (link)
just because we dont understand it yet doesnt mean god is in the machine, it just means we don't understand it yet. indeed, it is just as likely (if not more so) that a giant superturtle born in the future is interfering with our experiments in the present in order to prevent man from understanding how matter behaves at a quantum level.

however, you've probably had yourself a spiritual moment, i'd encourage you to nurture it :)

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[info]bastard
2007-04-19 01:23 am UTC (link)
because quantum physics fulfills the basic requirements of a miracle.

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[info]plizak
2007-04-19 01:26 am UTC (link)
because science can show there is a miracle, god must exist?

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[info]plizak
2007-05-03 06:53 pm UTC (link)
Sorry to drag this back up, but I like this quote, by Arthur C. Clarke

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from Magic."

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